Li-Fan Chen says to YSITD https://www.thestandnews.com/philosophy/%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1-%E8%AA%B2%E5%BE%8C%E7%AD%86%E8%A8%98-%E4%BB%80%E9%BA%BC%E6%98%AF%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1-%E7%82%BA%E4%BB%80%E9%BA%BC%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E8%87%AA%E7%94%B1/